By Ijaz Chaudry

A Conversation With A Rashadian:

 

This article is based on the conversation between a Rashadian and I. I have specifically called this person Rashadian and not Muslim because of her intense love and reverence for Dr Rashad Khalifa the previous messenger. She does not want to change or improve on what Rashad had brought. I would like to keep this person’s identity secret. I will use initials RS for this person and initials IC for myself. The answers to her questions may be improved a little in order to clarify the points in question this I will denote as extra;

RS - God asserts that He does not take away any messenger until he has completely delivered the Pure and Correct message. The true messengers do not leave mistakes behind for the next messenger to come along and correct.

IC - I am not too sure of your point here. I can understand the final testament has to be perfect, but a messenger who is not the last messenger is being perfect is another thing! Read who the last messenger is;

http://al-muzzammil.com/messenger_related/cloaked_without.html

I can prove what I have said here;

[3:50] "I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall observe GOD, and obey me.

The above verse confirms what I said above. This episode happened in between the Torah and the Gospel. Jesus is revoking some prohibitions based by another messenger Moses because Gospel was not the final Testament.

Similarly Rashad was not the last messenger and some of his works (revelations) had to change…

Extra – I was not saying that messengers make mistakes, what I am saying is that each messenger comes with a different message and each messenger has specific revelation from GOD to divulge. Now we know from extensive evidence from the Quran that there is lot of things which needs improvement over Rashad’s message. That does not mean that Rashad made mistakes, it only means that, that was what Rashad was revealed, which was correct for that time period but as the time has passed new information has been acquired by a new messenger (Al-Muzzammil). However, nowhere in the Quran does it assert that “He does not take away any messenger until he has completely delivered the Pure and Correct message.” This indeed is a myth. Quran is quite clear that each messenger comes with slightly different message depending on what the community need to be corrected in! Although the overall message of worshipping GOD alone does not change. The examples are many, for example Hood, Saaleh and Shuaib they came with slightly different messages, Shuaib was condemning dishonesty, Saaleh brought camel as a proof while none other did while Hood asked people not to follow their parents blindly. .. Another example where it is implied that the messengers bring different messages is;

[3:183]  It is they who said, "GOD has made a covenant with us that we shall not believe in any messenger, unless he produces an offering that gets consumed by fire." Say, "Messengers before me have come to you with clear proofs, including what you just demanded. Why then did you kill them, if you are truthful?"

In (3:183) above it is clear that different messengers have different stance on the message. It is implied in (3:183) that there was a messenger who produced offering which got consumed by fire. This confirms my point that a messenger can come after Dr Rashad Khalifa with new revelations with one important point in mind to test the followers of Dr Rashad Khalifa. This test is weather these people listen to the new messenger or idolise Rashad…

RS - The other mistake these so-called messengers are making is that the first thing they come along and announce is that they are the messengers.

We see in the Quran that the true messengers come forward with the message before they declare themselves as messengers, because it is the message that converts true believers, rather than the messenger himself. Since the human messengers come with many faults.

Rashad did not declare his messenger ship for 14 years, and only when he was forced to do so. Messengers do not seek popularity, or self-advocacy of any sort, they only preach the word of God.

IC – I have been giving the message the day I became submitter. Remember all those letters I wrote to you which you never replied!! I tell people that I am a messenger because I want them to be aware what could happen if they do not obey me, and that is a valid point!!!

Extra – I did not proclaim to be a messenger before all my options of spreading the message run out! For a very long time I went on many forums and discussed Islam, but this was not to come to any avail. I wanted amicable discussion and for both parties to follow Quran alone, but all I got was rejection and ridicule. If the people had listen to the Quran and what I was preaching from the Quran I would not have been in the same situation as being a messenger now. Like Dr Rashad Khalifa was forced to proclaim that he was a messenger so was I. 

RS - Messengers do not miss their Jumma prayers…

IC – I understand where you are coming from since Rashad was a messenger and he did Jumma that sets precedence… However let me inform you that this is not unwritten rule because what happens when the messenger is the only believer, you need at least 2 people to do Jumma. I did Jumma as long as I could with my family and also with Chris and Linda. I had special arrangement with my work so that on Friday I could come home early and do Jumma, till my wife and my daughters suggested that I am forcing them to do Jumma… That is when I stopped…

RS - Everyone has their preference of choice for communication. You may be right in the method you have chosen, but it is not for me.


IC – You have no choice are you refusing to accept God’s words!!

[96:1] Read, in the name of your Lord, who created.

[96:2] He created man from an embryo.

[96:3] Read, and your Lord, Most Exalted.

[96:4] Teaches by means of the pen.

[96:5] He teaches man what he never knew.

Extra – this person did not agree with me that the message could be conveyed through Internet, she wanted the message to be conveyed personally. (96:4) is quite clear that we can convey the message by using “Pen” in other words we can communicate through print either electronically or by paper.

RS - Each messenger comes with a sign that is greater than the previous signs

IC - [2:106] When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that GOD is Omnipotent?

Extra – RS is quite wrong about each messenger coming up with greater sign than the previous messenger. (2:106) clarifies this issue and confirm that the Miracle could be the same as the previous messenger, which in this case is the Miracle of 19 which both Dr Rashad Khalifa and Al-Muzzammil received. However, this Miracle has been modified and refined by Al-Muzzammil (alias Ijaz Chaudry).

RS - Have you ever wondered about this? Why is it that each of the so-called messengers is coming to the submitters community only, who are already following the concept of GOD ALONE AND QURAN ALONE?

IC - If you are not idolising Rashad than tell me where does it say in the Quran that Zakat is 2.5%, none of the other so called messengers dispute this, I do!! Now how come you are not following the Quran Alone in this instance!!!

Extra – Here IC – is dealing with two issues here one idolising Dr Rashad Khalifa where it is contradicting worship of GOD alone and Quran alone, second the issue of Zakat being 2.5% which was introduced by Dr Rashad Khalifa, but is not confirmed by the Quran. So if RS is still paying Zakat of 2.5% whilst Quran is clear that the Zakat should be how much or how little one can pay mentioned in (17:26-30) than RS is idol worshipping Rashad. And indeed RS does pay 2.5% Zakat and refuses to comply with the Quran.

RS - The messengers bring the same message as the previous messengers, and do not try to find faults with the previous messengers, because if you know the Quran and trust in God, then God asserts that He does not take away any messenger until he has completely delivered the Pure and Correct message. The true messengers do not leave mistakes behind for the next messenger to come along and correct.

IC - Please can you clarify the bold lettered phrase from the Quran. I never said Rashad made mistakes, he came with his revelations and I did with mine!! There is an example in the Quran which imply that messengers can revoke and change some of the message from the previous messengers;

[3:50] "I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall observe GOD, and obey me.

Extra – As I suspected RS did not prove from the Quran the highlighted stipulation from the Quran. And GOD does what He wants;

     Never Question God's Wisdom

 [21:23]  He is never to be asked about anything He does, while all others are questioned.

RS - I also resent the fact that you are still contributing to Chris and Linda's influence into thinking that I idolize the messenger. Just remember that FEAR IS SATAN'S TOOL!

IC - I have no dealings with Chris and Linda, however I even learn from disbelievers, because you never know what you find out …

[39:18] They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom GOD has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence.

I know that you are idol worshipping Rashad because of the Zakat you pay and the Salat you do, not because of Chris and Linda.